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Post by CoatCutter on Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:28 am

Well, this week, a man and his sheltie (who've walked the past shop stacks of times) finally stopped by and, well, I ended up bathing the little guy. Quoted him $40, he said he used to get it done for $30, so we agreed to split the difference. Anyway, the dog had those crusty, flaky, thickened ears, that smelled a bit. Well he told me that when the ears get really bad, he uses a weak solution of potassium permanganate - Conde's Crystals. He also said that you can use weak green tea too. It turns out he got them from an old veterinary book, which he's happy to lend to me. Anyone else have a sure fire ear cure? Do any of you use the 30:1 water:Malaseb wash for ears?

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Post by Admin on Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:19 am

these days i prefer Zap by Kelco.
In the old days we always relied on the metho/vinegar mix. I have tried the malaseb wash,but didnt think it helped that much. It flushed the ears clean,yes,but soon enough they are back to horrible.
speaking for myself,i have never seen anything work better on ears then a 100% RAW diet. 20+ years raw feed junkie here,and NEVER had an ear issue,and all my raw feed friends say the same. albino

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Post by Westie on Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:49 pm

Amazing what clients expect us to do - we are not Vets! I always advise that I can clean the ears out but that if there's an infection they need medication from the vet, even if it's a chronic problem. Good on people for trying alternatives but I haven't found anything that works permanently.

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Post by Susanne on Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:38 pm

I was trained by a Poodle breeder and every week I would visit her and bath/clip her kennel dogs for practice, she used to use Malawash diluted and would pour abit in each ear and let the dog shake, so every 6 weeks when they had their clip thats what she would use, don't ever remember her having ear problems with her dogs.

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Post by Guest on Mon Nov 10, 2008 2:19 pm

If you google ear cleaners-dogs heaps of info comes up. I've cleared that yeasty build up and smell on my niece's old lab that never goes to the vet with a solution of 50%white vinegar 50% water. He comes weekly for his Fido's flea rinse conc. bath (he has allergic reaction to frontline and advantage) We've controlled fleas AND grown all hair back on rear and tail. Looks great...shiny shiny black coat on 11 1/2 year old. The solution is used as a cleaner but fixed the yeasty smell too!!!! I would also use Leo's which is not available now... Send any in doubt or look inflamed to the vet!!

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Post by porshangel on Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:37 pm

I agree with sinner on. When in doubt to the vet
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Post by Donna on Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:28 pm

Ditto! I was advised when i did my course that anything that suspected to be an infection the owner should be notified of upon collection
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Post by Destiny on Sun Feb 01, 2009 12:55 pm

I use ear cleaner on all my dogs. I think it is Aristopet brand. I have not used anything else. Im a bit scared of trying different things in the ears.
I have wondered about the Malasab solution thought, because my Jasper has had some sort of allergy in his ears , being a white poodle he has the usual skin allergy problems, and I have to put this yucky greasy stuff in them and all his nice fluffy white ears end up all yucky and greasy. I have thought about using the Malasab but a little scared to try it.
I just cant understand how it would work when we have to be so carefull not to let any water get into their ears. The Aristopet ear cleaner smells like alcohol so I can understand that would dry it all up. But with all these other solutions, Im a little scared to use them.
But I guess if all these other people have used them they must be ok.
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Post by Admin on Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:17 pm

Destiny wrote:I use ear cleaner on all my dogs. I think it is Aristopet brand. I have not used anything else. Im a bit scared of trying different things in the ears.
I have wondered about the Malasab solution thought, because my Jasper has had some sort of allergy in his ears , being a white poodle he has the usual skin allergy problems, and I have to put this yucky greasy stuff in them and all his nice fluffy white ears end up all yucky and greasy. I have thought about using the Malasab but a little scared to try it.
I just cant understand how it would work when we have to be so carefull not to let any water get into their ears. The Aristopet ear cleaner smells like alcohol so I can understand that would dry it all up. But with all these other solutions, Im a little scared to use them.
But I guess if all these other people have used them they must be ok.

you might be surprised when all those "usual allergy problems" magically disappear after a while on raw diet

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Post by Tail's a Waggin' on Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:24 pm

My beautiful Rotti Waldo (who I miss terribly Sad ) always suffered those horrible ear infections.
Always at the vet in his younger years and you'd always walk out with another armful of wash product and ear ointment $$$$$.
We saw a specialist that suggested a sweet potato and roo diet. Needless to say it was alot more expensive than our recipie and within 2 days every allergy Wal had flared up. That cost me a fortune to try. When he suggested I come back and we'd TRY..... NOT a good word. I wasn't trying anything after that. All up $350 out of pocket for my dog to have ears ooozing with infection. Mad
Another vet put me onto the dilution of malaseb to flush ears out. It seemed to work well but since having the trailer I buy Epi-Otic. It's what most vets recommend and I buy several big bottles when on special.
Last well. Waldo became an every second day flush in his last year but it did keep those ears infection free. Smile
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Post by Destiny on Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:36 pm

I "think" the Epi-Otic is the same as the Aristopet Ear Cleaner that I always use.

And I hope Jaspers allergys do clear up after he goes on the all raw diet.
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Post by Westie on Sun Feb 01, 2009 5:00 pm

Yep, I'm an Epi-Otic fan too. I have groomer friends who use a Malaseb dilution but as Destiny says how does it dry things up?? I'm sure Tammy is right, the root of a lot of allergy probs is diet.

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Post by petgroomaustralia on Sun Feb 01, 2009 5:55 pm

All vets use a weak malaseb dilution to flush and clean ears, water in the ears isnt a problem and dogs with bad ears benefit from regular ear flushing. For chronic bad ears and owners who wont treat them I always shave the hair off. It works wonders and has cleared up and/or improved a lot of them much to the surprise of the vets and the owners. My powderpuff had terrible ears for years, always being treated, we finally had a lateral resection on both (cutting open the ear to expose the canals to air and he has had no more issues). The raw diet is great as well as keeping them very clean and open to the air is what works for bad ears. If you are really worried about leaving water in ears, a veterinary dermatologist told me you can buy Aquaear from the chemist and use it to dry inside the ear, but dont use on infected ears.


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Post by Westie on Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:38 am

Thanks PetGroom for that info. Can you advise what the dilution ratio is for the Malaseb? When you say shave the ears do you mean inside and out, I prob sound like a bit of a dill but just wanting to clarify. I shave all heavy drop ears on the inside to improve air flow.

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Post by CoatCutter on Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:32 am

The ratio we've been told is 30:1... 30 water to 1 Malaseb.

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Post by petgroomaustralia on Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:26 pm

Westie wrote:Thanks PetGroom for that info. Can you advise what the dilution ratio is for the Malaseb? When you say shave the ears do you mean inside and out, I prob sound like a bit of a dill but just wanting to clarify. I shave all heavy drop ears on the inside to improve air flow.

Yes, inside AND outside. The owners can be resistant at first but when they see how the ears improve they are happy to keep them short. For the difficult owners I usually say, what is more important, your dogs health and welfare or hair? Most of them get it. And I stress that bad ears are painful.
I put a capful of Malaseb into the hydrobath about half full, the vets always say it has to be a weak dilution, but you dont have to be exact.
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Post by Westie on Mon Feb 02, 2009 7:16 pm

Thanks PetGroom. This is such a tricky one... The vet nurse I questioned about it today had never heard of it and recommended I stick with the EpiOtic but I will try the Malaseb dilution in future.

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Post by petgroomaustralia on Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:14 pm

Westie wrote:Thanks PetGroom. This is such a tricky one... The vet nurse I questioned about it today had never heard of it and recommended I stick with the EpiOtic but I will try the Malaseb dilution in future.

Nothing wrong with Epiotic, its a great product, but its an ear cleaner and not used to actually flush the ears.
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Post by Westie on Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:32 pm

So when you pour the Malaseb into the hydrobath you then direct it into the dogs ears and let them shake? Just wondering what process you use to 'flush' them?

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Post by Tail's a Waggin' on Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:05 pm

I used to just dilute as per Anthony said 30:1 and use a syringe to flush ear. Of course not pushing syringe down ear. Good massage of ear channel and look out for that shake. Laughing
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Post by peke-lover on Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:40 pm

Not sure if I want to start talking about that Groomer program on Foxtel because some of you won't have seen it, but talking about ear problems, this weeks episode featured a vet (one of the judges) downing a groomer because he didn't use cotton wool balls in the dogs ears while washing the dog claiming 'even one drop of water can cause an ear infection'. How true is this and does everyone use cotton wool balls while washing??
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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:27 pm

peke-lover wrote:Not sure if I want to start talking about that Groomer program on Foxtel because some of you won't have seen it, but talking about ear problems, this weeks episode featured a vet (one of the judges) downing a groomer because he didn't use cotton wool balls in the dogs ears while washing the dog claiming 'even one drop of water can cause an ear infection'. How true is this and does everyone use cotton wool balls while washing??

Personally, i think that' vet talks rubbish. If that were the case then just about every dog would have an infection constantly, what with all the bathing, both by owner and groomer, and heaps of dogs swim.
I don't use cotton wool balls, unless the owner specifically requests it (the ball is always wet anyway, so water is still getting in).

I'm very careful not to squirt water into ears, i just massage til the ear is wet through, and i have dogs that have come to me for many years without any ear problems. Also my show dogs are bathed once a week, without cotton wool, and don't have problems.
I believe some dogs are more prone to ear infections due to breeding, skin types and genetics.

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Post by CoatCutter on Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:31 am

Well, we shouldn't get water in their ears (we should use cotton wool), we shouldn't get it in their eyes (we should put oil in them), we shouldn't use the clippers towards the eye, we shouldn't go over the speed limit. I'll put my hand up... I've done all those things. Personally, i think that the cotton wool could break off small pieces that remain in the ear and irritate it and possibly cause an infection. Not impossible is it? What about all of the tiny bits of hair that cause pimples in our elbows and any other places? Some of them must get in the ears and eyes too. Does everybody disinfect everything between dogs? Bath's, tables, clippers, blades, scissors, where you hold the HV/blaster, where the hair has fallen on the floor, the wall the dog was leaning on, your hands (hospital scrub including under nails). We probably should do all of those shouldn't we? I do take more precautions when I think I need to - after crusty infected skinned dogs, but I don't go overboard.

I don't know if I want to start this debate, but I thought it was interesting. Was talking to a guy today who had 2 dobes, one of them, the older one, had it's ears cropped, and he'd never had an infection in that dog, whereas with the pup that didn't have cropped ears, has had constant problems. Also, the pup broke his tail and it cost them $800 at the emergency vet to have the tail amputated. As I say, it's just and interesting coincidence.

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Post by Westie on Wed Feb 04, 2009 7:26 am

You're right Anthony, it is next to impossible to have a sterile environment and ensure that absolutely nothing will happen to the dog. You can only be so careful and accidents do happen. If I was sterilising everything between jobs I'd be out till midnight, it's just not do-able.

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Post by Destiny on Wed Feb 04, 2009 8:46 am

With the Aristopet ear cleaner, it is suppose to loosen all wax and whatever is in the ear, when the dog shakes his head it is suppose to come out. And at the same time it is suppose to dry any moisture up that is in the ear.
It smells like it has alcohol in it. Very strong smell.
I have used Leo when it was around, and now Im using the Aristopet one, have been using them for 7 years and never had an ear problem. I put it into their ears before the bath in case any moisture gets into the ears during the bath, but I also hold their ear leather down over the openings with my thumb and forefinger.
I am very happy with this process and Im sticking to it. I usually listen to what a vet says because they are more educated than what I am in this area.
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